Kære Niels
Jeg mente ikke, at folk skulle sende emails - til dig/alle altså....

Det, jeg efterlyste, var en funktion i det vidensdelingssytem Kodefabrikken har lavet, der gør det muligt at sende emails fra eget postsystem til vidensdelingssystemet.
Dette indlæg har jeg f.eks. skrevet i et postprogram (Inotes). Derefter har jeg sendt det til min blog (den side, du nu sidder og ser på).

Fordelen er, at 'brugeren' anvender kendt teknologi (email), i stedet for at skulle have logins osv. til et nyt system. Forskellen fra mailen er, at indlæg er 'sorteret' idet den ligger på hjemmesiden i stedet for at rode rundt i deltagernes postsystemer.

Smart ikke?

Kærlig hilsen Lis

Into the Blogosphere: "This online, edited collection explores discursive, visual, social, and other communicative features of weblogs. Essays analyze and critique situated cases and examples drawn from weblogs and weblog communities. Such a project requires a multidisciplinary approach, and contributions represent perspectives from Rhetoric, Communication, Sociology, Cultural Studies, Linguistics, and Education, among others. We encourage you to post your responses to the essays"

Blogger Knowledge
Just ask Lynne Truss, the author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation. A self-described stickler for punctuation, she despairs at the misplaced apostrophe, the erroneous colon, the dangling comma — all of which are far too commonplace on the internet, where the motto seems to be: Faster, Blogger! Kill! Kill! Kill!

Blogger Knowledge
From the email Newsletter:
If you haven't checked out the latest Blogger Knowledge articles, you really should have a look-see. It's not just how-to stuff. We have articles about dating, sports, hacking, and even one called "The Wisdom of Blogs." They're not all written by me in case your wondering (or in case you think I am a stupid dork-face). There are articles by Jennifer Garrett, Rebecca Blood, Graham Waldon, Eric Case, and yes, yours truly: stupid dork-face.

Into the Blogosphere
This online, edited collection explores discursive, visual, social, and other communicative features of weblogs. Essays analyze and critique situated cases and examples drawn from weblogs and weblog communities. Such a project requires a multidisciplinary approach, and contributions represent perspectives from Rhetoric, Communication, Sociology, Cultural Studies, Linguistics, and Education, among others.

WordPress
Et interessant gratis blog med interessante features.
WordPress is a state-of-the-art semantic personal publishing platform with a focus on aesthetics, web standards, and usability. What a mouthful.

Blogathon springer 2004 over. Se i stedet:
project-blog 2004 :: because we care: "Project Blog is here because we care and because we want to make a difference. On July 24th, bloggers from all around the world will be updating their own blog every 30 minutes for 24 solid hours all in the name of each blogger's favorite charity. "

Globe of Blogs ::: Weblog Tools

PurpleSlurple
Værd at kikke nærmere på.

Strategies for Building Blended Learning: "Strategies for Building Blended Learning
By Allison Rossett, Felicia Douglis, and Rebecca V. Frazee
At a recent conference, a practitioner was overheard saying, "I can see why blending makes sense. But what do I put with what? We have a hundred instructors and e-learning modules. If I put them together, is that a blend? What is a blend and how do I make it work in an organization that prefers a quick fix?" Those questions and more are tackled here."

Open Source CMS - Plone TYPO3 Solidity CMS: Forside

plog: wireless blogging for Palm OS: "plog
...is a tool I built to allow wireless Palm OS devices (like the VII, the new i705, or any Palm with a modem or other internet connection) to update any weblog that supports the Blogger API. (This includes any Blogger-maintained weblog, on any server, as well as Manila/Radio weblogs.) "

The Virtues of Chitchat - Making I.T. Work - CIO Magazine May 15,2004: "The Virtues of Chitchat
A modest proposal for using blogs to keep IT teams and management up-to-date on implementation."

Endnu et nyttigt værktøj:
W3C Link Checker
På dette sted kan hurtigt man tjekke en URL for døde eller omdirrigerede link.

Memeufacture:
"This site is a weblog with automated trend tracking. The editorial content is produced using Movable Type. The automatic content is generated using a simple Python program (about 700 lines.) Memeufacture scans hundreds of websites of several different genres. It determines which links are most popular and which websites posted those links first. "

NewsHour's indslag om Weblogging som transcriberet tekst, audio eller streaming video:

blogLinker.com - The automatic link swapper and traffic generator:
"blogLinker.com is a free tool to manage your web links on your blog/website and to dramatically increase traffic to your site. It can be embedded anywhere in your web page and can be easily configured to fit the existing design of your site. blogLinker is the only tool of its kind. "
Max (Zaeem Maqsood) - udvikleren af BlogLinker skriver i forbindelse med nyheden om, at Tucows har købt BlogRolling.com:
"Am I expecting a call anytime soon? Not really - my site has far fewer members than blogrolling. However, I do believe my service provides a touch more value to the consumer, with its built in reciprocal linking. And I have some developments in the pipeline that will really make my users happy."

BlogMatcher:
"BlogMatcher is a program that helps people find weblogs that match their interests and find like-minded blogs. When given an URL to a weblog (called 'Reference Blog') the system finds other blogs that appear to discuss similar topics. "
Endnu et Blog-søgeredskab.

Kinja. Betaversion
Kinja, the weblog guide: "About Kinja
Kinja is a weblog portal, collecting news and commentary from some of the best sites on the web. Visitors can browse items on topics, everything from food to sex. Or they can create a convenient personal digest, to track their favorite writers. "

BlogFiktion
Guardian Unlimited | Online | How to write a blog-buster: "How to write a blog-buster

Controversial call-girl diarist Belle de Jour might well be the most notorious example of a new literary trend: fiction written in blog form. Jim McClellan meets the online authors "

Testing BlogJet

Testing BlogJet

I have installed an interesting application - BlogJet. It's a cool Windows client for my blog tool (as well as for other tools). Get your copy here: http://blogjet.com

"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -- Pablo Picasso

Som skrevet står er dette en test af BlogJets betaversion, som er gratis indtil d. 15. april. Umiddelbart ser den mindre avanceret ud end BlogThis. Der er f.eks. langt færre HTML Tags i menuen (dog er der adgang til den rå HTML kode).
Det er uhyre let at Uploade billeder, og der er også en simpel audio funktion.

En anden ret smart ting er, at man kan editere i gamle Blogtekster ved at hente dem ind (Wiew history) i BlogJet.
Af en eller anden årsag medtager den dog ikke overskriften - men det er jo en Beta version :)

TouchGraph GoogleBrowser V1.01
Allerede indenfor ganske få sider fandt jeg en yderst interessant side, på TouchGraph GoogleBrowser V1.01 kan få genereret et grafisk billede af en URLs linksystem. Jeg har mødt disse kortlægninger før, men nu er der altså et sted, hvor jeg kan få dem udført. Interessant!!!

Stumble Upon toolbar: The cool web site finder
We are a community-based, word-of-mouth approach to websurfing – pages you "stumble upon" come from like-minded people who share your interests. Add the Toolbar, choose some topics and click Stumble! You'll meet people who like your favorite sites as you discover the best of the web.

Links til div. Blogstatistik: Blogging is Booming

iSociety mener MITs nyeste tilbud: Serendip-IT må være et udtryk for ironi:
Mobule.net - Get Connected with Serendipity and Synergy
Serendipity is an application for mobile phones that can instigate interactions between you and people you don't know, but probably should. All you have to do is create a Mobule profile containing the information you feel comfortable sharing with potential friends and colleagues. This profile, along with your mobile phone, immediately provide a connection to an exciting community of people around you whom you have yet to meet. Looking for a date? A new client? An expert? Or maybe just a good conversation... Let Serendipity help you turn the strangers around you into friends.
Det må i alt fald være et udtryk for et ønske om at ride med på dating.com'ernes succes....

Vidste ikke at servere kan være nedtrykte - men blev klogere på denne Fejl 404-side File not found

Main Page - FreeCulture
Main Page
(part of Free Culture, a book/wiki experiment)

This site is a wiki for annotating and editing Larry Lessig's new book, Free Culture.

And sidebars can highlight related issues.
Editing can be done in several ways. [Corrections can be made directly to the text.]

Webmercial.dk - Don't try this at home
Jesper Balslevs weblog - en af forfatterne til 'Start på weblogs' fra forlaget Libris.

ChatCircles2
ChatCirkels er nu kommet i ver2 og fungerer igen.

threedegrees
Microsofts 3 Degrees må også undersøges.

Måske kunne det bruges i fjernundervisningen......

All Consuming
"All Consuming is a website that visits recently updated weblogs every hour, checking them for links to books on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Book Sense, and other book sites. Every book on this site has a list of all the weblogs that have mentioned it, and every weblog that has mentioned books in the past also has a page here listing which books it has mentioned. If you have a weblog, search for it here to see if we've picked anything up from it yet."

Bøgerne nederst i højre spalte er kommet til Bloggen via All Consuming, og klikker man på dem kommer man direkte til.... Amazon dot com. Nifty tecknology!

GeoURL ICBM Address Server
"GeoURL is a location-to-URL reverse directory. This will allow you to find URLs by their proximity to a given location. Find your neighbor's blog, perhaps, or the web page of the restaurants near you."

Interessant er også kortene over bloggere (vælg higher-resolution maps - de er klikbare!). Kortene opdateres med 24 timers interval.

Spændende begreb: Situated Software:
Shirky: Situated Software: "Part of the future I believe I'm seeing is a change in the software ecosystem which, for the moment, I'm calling situated software. This is software designed in and for a particular social situation or context. This way of making software is in contrast with what I'll call the Web School (the paradigm I learned to program in), where scalability, generality, and completeness were the key virtues. "

Redigeringsredskabet wblogger kan jeg næppe anbefale nok. I denne editor kan alle lave mange af de formateringer, der før kun var mulige i templaten, og som derfor krævede kendskab til HTML.
Og så findes den oven i købet i en dansksproget version. Dog ikke en dansk stavekontrol - men den kommer måske engang :)

Under opsætningen fik jeg dog en fejlmelding, og supporten er ikke noget at råbe hurra for. Det lykkedes dog - med noget besvær, der er flere spørgsmål end svar i det forum - at finde løsningen i wbloggers User Forum

cre8d journal: Blog Design Showcase Archives:
"This is a collection of outstanding blog designs, thoughts on what makes a good blog design, and will also be where I announce new blogs that I have designed. "

I dag hørte jeg, at det nu er det muligt at lave Trackback i Blogger. Cool!
En søgning i Google på 'Trackback in Blogger' sendte mig via Remote Trackback Proof of Concept til HaloScan.

HaloScan tilbyder gratis kommentar felt og Trackback funktion. Der ligger også en Tutorial på siden.
Proceduren er lidt omstændelig, men HaloScan har planer om at automatisere funktion.....

Der er flere Googies på HaloScan, for eksempel forskellige CSS templates til kommentarfeltet. Husk at indstille tiden.

MovableType har en god Beginner's Guide to TrackBack og How TrackBack Works giver en grundig forklaring.

Prisen for TrackBack var, at jeg måtte så skille mig af med gode gamle Rebloggers kommentarfelt, som har tjent mig vel. Tak og farvel Reblogger :)

Så lykkedes det mig endelig at få lavet en RSS feed. Med stædighed og .ftp adgang kommer man langt!

LinkedIn: LinkedIn in Three Steps
Build your network.
At LinkedIn, you make contact through the people you know and trust. So you start out by inviting your trusted friends and colleagues.

Each friend or colleague invites their trusted connections, and they invite theirs, and your network grows.

Find the people you need.
With just a few clicks, you can search the network you have built.

Find professionals to hire, who can give you a job, who can put you in contact with a company, who can provide expertise — whatever you need.

Make a trusted contact.
Once you find the ideal person to contact, you turn to those trusted connections.

The person you found is linked to you through one of your trusted friends or colleagues, through a short chain of referrals. Everyone is only a few “degrees” away.

BlogBarter! Barterware for you today!!:
"Non-technical people sometimes need help with technical stuff.
Rather than hire someone or mooch off a friend, The Blog Exchange and Open Market are based on the idea of barterware, that is, an exchange of goods and services that are of value between two parties."

AP Wire | 02/29/2004 | Study: Blogging Still Infrequent: "The Pew Internet and American Life Project, in a study released Sunday, found that somewhere between 2 percent and 7 percent of adult Internet users in the United States actually keep their own blogs.
Of those, only about 10 percent update them daily, the majority doing so only once a week or less often.......

......That survey found only 2 percent of users keeping blogs, although a preliminary analysis of follow-up surveys from early 2004 showed the figure increasing to about 7 percent.

About 11 percent of Internet users report visiting blogs written by others. Most often, they were for blogs written by friends. But blog readers are more likely to go to journals kept by strangers rather than by family members."

Thesis nr. 15 i The Cluetrain Manifesto: The End of Business as Usual lyder:

In just a few more years, the current homogenized "voice" of business—the sound of mission statements and brochures—will seem as contrived and artificial as the language of the 18th century French court.

en interessant tese, når et af kravene til uddannelsesinstitutioners hjemmesider (gennemsigtighed og åbenhed) er at værdigrundlaget skal fremgå af institutionernes website...... Det bekræfter den tanke jeg har om, at det ikke er den webside, kommende studerende vil være mest interesseret i!
som Thesis 16 udtrykker det:
Already, companies that speak in the language of the pitch, the dog-and-pony show, are no longer speaking to anyone.

Daily Kos :: Political Analysis and other daily rants on the state of the nation., en blog, der støtter alle de demokratiske kandidater i den amerikanske valgkamp, siges at have 70.000 daglige læsere og er dermed den anden mest læste blog i verden.
Ikke nok med, at den læses meget kommentarerne er ofte på flere hundrede.
I går havde Information en interessant artikel om blogs som en moderne politisk debat: 'Blog-politik i den virtuelle landsby.'

Ja, ja... sammenlignet hermed er den plads CVU Sønderjyllands hjemmeside har som den 251.472. mest læste side i verden jo beskeden. Alligevel er vi da ret stolte.
Information hævder i dag, at der i dag er mere end 6 mia. poster, 4,28 mia. websider, 880 mia billeder, 845 mio. posteringer i Usenet-nyhedsgrupper og et stigende antal bog-relaterede sider i non webformat - i forhold til samme tidspunkt sidste år, er der tale om en fordobling!!!

GoogleBlaster
En Googlevariant, hvor man kan foretage flere søgning på een gang (en søgning pr linie). Søgningerne vises så som een side med et faneblad for hver søgning (linie).

Wikipedia
Fra Kuro5hin.org: February 25, 2004 (The Internet): Wikipedia (Wikipedia.org), a volunteer-created, multi-language encyclopedia, announced today that the project has reached a milestone of 500,000 articles, spread across 50 different languages.

BlogThis!
I Blogger.com arkivet fra july 2003 ligger funktionen BlogThis! Med den kan man markere tekst på en website og sende teksten direkte til sin Blog - altså uden at skulle omkring Blogger-siden. Fikst!

BlogRolling
Med BlogRolling er det nu muligt at indeksere, vise og vedligeholde links på Bloggen uden at skulle omkring templaten. Fra Blogrolling.com har jeg hentet et script samt installeret en bookmarklet, et lille program, som jeg - med 'drag and drop' - har lagt i browserens 'Favoritlink' (se ill.)



Klik på 'Blogroll it!', på den aktuelle side, udfyld 2 linier i et PopUp vindue og Voila! så er linket på bloggen. En rigtig smart og tidsbesparende funktion.

Blogrolling er gratis, men ved at købe en Gold version for ca. 20 $ (kun muligt via PayPall) har jeg fået mulighed for at indeksere mine links. I gratisversionen får man kun én blogroll, men Goldversionen giver ret til 10 - dog ikke nødvendigvis på én og samme Blog

Serendipity
(Definition: pure luck in discovering things you were not looking for)

På jagt efter noget andet, fandt jeg Blog sangen. Jeg havde hørt om den og været på jagt efter den længe, men her er den så, på Fairvue - både lydfil og tekst.

Read Darwin -Are You Ready for Social Software? - WHAT'S NEW - Magazine - Darwin Magazine: "Social Software: Bottom-up
Social software is likely to come to mean the opposite of what groupware and other project- or organization-oriented collaboration tools were intended to be. Social software is based on supporting the desire of individuals to affiliate, their desire to be pulled into groups to achieve their personal goals. Contrast that with the groupware approach to things where people are placed into groups defined organizationally or functionally. "

Avisartikler

Pigeliv: Pigernes virtuelle verden
Jyllands-Posten 16 november 2002

Netdagbøger: Weblogs til Folket
Politiken 7 juni 2001

Interview: Malthe Sigurdsson
(Her er jeg, her er min weblog)
Jyllands-Posten 11 juni 2002, side 5

Søgetips: Weblogs for alle
Politiken 17 august 2002

Internetdagbøger: Kære maskine
Information 31 august 2002

IT: Weblogs: Dagbog på nettet
Jyllands-Posten 10 december 2002

Findes alle i SkoDa/emu Avisdatabasen (søg på Weblog)

BlogTalk
Kommende BlokTalk konference 2.0, Wien 5. og 6 juli 2004
BlogTalk konferencen, Wien 23. og 24. maj 2003
Papers fra konferencen
BlogTalk people
Joho the Blog (Blogs fra konferencen)
Blogtalk blogging (links til konferenceblogs)
Fotos fra konferencen 1
Fotos fra konferencen 2
Paolo's weblog (Fotos)
MessageBoard

Relaterede blogs
Blogs: the stickiness factor - story
Channel 'blogtalk_conference'BlogTalk: Let's Talk
David Davies' Weblog
blogTalk aftershocks
SnipSnap
Seblogging
Brainstorms & Raves
Jose Luis Orihuela: Blogging and the eCommunication Paradigms:
10 principles of the new media scenario
kieranshaw.co.uk
Paolo's weblog
My Persian weblog
Dan Gillmor
BlogTalk: Selected Quotes

Poul Nyrup Rasmussen blogger.

TemaBlogs
som kunne være relevante i undervisning:
Fiber Art Bloggers
Knitting Bloggers Webring
Homeless Blogs Webring

Social software
BlogTree.com projektet er et eksempel på de mange forsøg der er på community building. Her i form af blog genealogi:
BlogTree.com is a web site that maintains a database of blog relationships and allows you to browse blogs' pedigree. You can register your blog(s) and note which blogs inspired them (their parents). You can then notify the parent blog's author, as well as authors of any blogs that you think your blog inspired, about BlogTree.com and encourage them to register their blogs and note their parent blogs. As more and more blog authors participate, unrelated families of blogs will find common ancestors or descendants.
Her kan man til gengæld få de 'ægte' danske sorteret fra...

Se også Blogstreet

Picosearch - en gratis, hosted søgemaskine. Den er nu installeret på siden her i højre spalte, men jeg har nogle vanskeligheder med at finde ud af at få den til at søge på selve siden.....
Sjovt nok fandt jeg tilbage til 'Bredgade 40' bloggen, da jeg undersøgte, hvem der hoster Picosearch (Gotzeblogge)- sådan går blogs sommetider i ring...
John Gøtze's OPML Directory Browser er temmelig interessant med mange link. F.eks. til en blog med blog terminology med sjove begreber som:

Blurker
1. noun. One who reads many blogs but leaves no evidence of themselves such as comments behind; a silent observer of blogs.
2. noun. One who reads many blogs but has no blog of their own; a blog-watcher or blog voyeur.
Usage: "But, Mikey, I can't have a blog of my own! I'm a blurker!"

Blogstipation
1. noun. To be unable to think of anything to blog about, i.e. writer's block for bloggers.
2. noun. To be unable to post an article on your blog because blogger.com is down yet again.
(meaning 2. coined by Jim Treacher)

Jim Treacher har en lignende, dog langt mindre omfattende blog.....

Interessant er også GeoURL ICBM Address Server en 'geografisk Google, hvor man kan søge (eller tilmelde sig) og via URL'en finde geografisk nære blogs. Copenhagen (154 blogs): sites near 55.68, 12.587, and within 500 miles - dette skal tages helt bogstaveligt, Hamborg ligger som bekendt jo 132 miles vest for Copenhagen, Gøteborg 141 miles nordpå, Utrecht ligger 419 miles SW og 492 miles SE er bloggen på polsk - så geografisk nærhed er en international størrelse i denne sammenhæng :)


Via 'John Gøtze's OPML Directory Browser' fandt jeg også en glimrende artikel af Scot Hacker om valg af blog type til undervisning. Perfekt med kravspecifikation og vurdering. Choosing a Blogging Package for Students

Citeret fra Biblog - Bibliotek og IT: fredag, marts 14
Tilbud om påmindelse pr. SMS.
Roskilde Bibliotek har indført en service, hvor vi tilbyder at sende en SMS - 3 dage før afleveringsfristen på materialet udløber. Det er allerede et hit. I løbet af den første uge servicen var tilgængelig i basen, havde over 100 personer tilmeldt sig. På det tidspunkt havde vi ikke lavet noget som helst PR endnu.

Faldt over Dullernes Univers - et interessant (pige)projekt med Guides til hjemmesidedesign og relaterede emner. Hjemmesiderne anbefales oprettet (gratis) på Geocities.yahoo.com - også det er der en simplet Guide til.
Fra siden kan programmet Gimp downloades (gratis) - det ser interessant ud. Tjek også lige Blinkie-guiden ud :))

Fra Dullernes Univers er der links til enorme mængder af hjemmesider - som de dog kan....
14 årige Gulje
13 årige Janne
m.m.fl.

Jeg er begyndt at lave et ressourcemateriale til Helens og mit Blog projekt.
Her er linket, hvis I andre kan have gavn af det. Der ligger ikke så meget endnu, men det kommer.... Jeg forestiller mig, at det vil være rart at 'have ved hånden', når vi går i gang med ungerne.

Og så opdagede jeg - via Servustats - at denne blog nu er med i en oversigt/portal: Danish Blogs på GotzeLinked gad vide, hvordan den er kommet dertil?

Det er dog fantastisk artikel, du linker til, Carsten. Jeg havde plasticbag liggende i foretrukne, men havde ikke fået kikket stedet igennem. Nu viser du jo vejen til centrale, spændende ting, herligt. Der er jo også utallige interessante links videre derfra - jeg elsker hypertekster - mulighederne for sidegader er utallige *lol* - lige nu er i gang med MeatballWiki..... :))
lis

En del af webseminariet, "fagets hjørne", minder meget om blogs, men der er mange flere muligeder. Vi har kørt et kort forsøg med blogs, og vi har nogle erfaringer at bygge videre på.

cj

Hej Lis m.fl.

Så er jeg også kommet på. Det ser ud til at kunne blive sjovt det her......var det, det du mente vi kunne få ud af at bygge vores eget webseminarium Carsten?

mvh SB

Så er jeg kommet med. Imponerende side !!
Jeg har lige set et indlæg om ikke at glemme tidligere erfaringer med online-samarbejde her.
Jeg skal lige rettet en misforståelse: Jeg blogger ikke, så jeg kan ikke være den person, der omtales. Jesper er derimod er sikkert Jesper Juul (fra IT-højskolen, ikke ham den anden)

Dette er en email sendt med seminariets webmailsystem.
Mvh
Lis

Så lykkedes det. Kommentarfeltet er OK, selvom det er lavet uden cgi og php, Carsten *S*. Chatten ser dog lidt primitiv ud, tilsyneladende er den største omhu lagt på farvemuligheder og messenger-agtige funktioner. (Jeg har dog tilladt jer at bruge mindre pæne ord uden at blive 'beeped' ;). Der findes sikkert bedre, men nu har jeg da prøvet det. Det var noget af en sej kamp da der på et tidspunkt kom en fejlmelding i browseren. Først da det viste sig, at browseren gav samme fejlmelding på Windows Update siden, gik op for mig, at det ikke var min fejl - det havde så også lige taget en halv søndag - men hvorfor dog springe over, hvor gærdet er lavest, når man kan finde et sted, man dårligt kan møve sig over *G* Morale: tro aldrig på din browser!

What is the coolest thing about Blogs?

'The coolest thing is anybody being able to say what the want to say to as many people as want to listen. This has been promised (and true, theoretically) since the beginning of the Internet, of course. But I think a lot of the excitement about weblogs is that we're seeing this theory become reality.'
Evan Williams, President of Pyra Labs (creators of Blogger)

Get a blog..... even Barbie has a blog

Jeg har fundet den artikel af Henry Jenkins, Jill Walker omtaler i "Magten forrykker på nettet", men desværre i et eZine Technology Review march 2002), man skal abonnere på. Digital Renaissance (en mindre smagsprøve. Gad vide, om biblioteket kan skaffe den i et treeware format. Jenkins er altid værd at læse!

Gad vide om den Carsten (som blogger) og Jesper (som nægter), der omtales i "Blogging thoughts" ikke skulle hedde hhv. Jessen og Olesen til efternavn *ser spørgende på Carsten*